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December 16, 2019

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Jon, another well-expressed, well-substantiated analysis. The critical problem Phoenix has historically faced is conservative public leadership. That's why education spending is subpar. It's why infrastructure planning and spending is non-competitive. It's why all the pieces which are in place in the the progressive, high-tech cities of the West are lacking in Phoenix. Conservatives do not support the public good. They support personal advantage - mostly to the already advantaged. Phoenix is strapped by being in Arizona.

"Phoenix is strapped by being in Arizona"
You certainly got that right, Phil.

Excellent as usual Rogue!

The Brookings Institute report and recommendation is fascinating, but don't hold your breath. We can't even agree to deal with our massive infrastructure problems with roadways, bridges and utilities.

Jon is spot on, AZ has long measured success with population growth and new development. With each new sub-division, our problems grow. Moving further away from Phoenix, developers subsidize the infrastructure and when they leave the buyers find themselves buried with massive utilities costs.

They turn to the ACC and expect them to fix it by consolidating districts. Developers reap the rewards of cheap land, AZ gets to crow about growth and we get stuck with the cost of them buying in the middle of nowhere.

The shortsightedness of the conservatives running AZ has been painfully obvious. As much as i love living here, i find myself tuning out how foolish they function. The Rogue has been one of the bright spots in focusing on solutions that make sense.

Unfortunately, those elected to serve are far removed from finding any real solutions.

This really stood out: For example, fewer than 28% of adults have bachelor's degrees or higher in Phoenix (and 29.7% in Arizona).

Until we fix our educational system, it's going to be very difficult to draw these upper tier businesses.

Good post Bill.
However i take umbrage with the word "conservative." There use to be "conservatives" in Arizona. They more resembled my frugal Scottish ancestors.
Those calling themselves conservative today are for the most part greed merchants, religious other world seekers and politicians that border on insanity providing us with delusional bull shit.
Plus we have crazed bigots destroying the borderlands. Walls are bad!

What cal said.


Plus, "The Rogue has been one of the bright spots in focusing on solutions that make sense". That sentence contains the main reason why I started following Jon while he was at the Republic. AND I must have been as naïve as a country hick to have thought the decision makers would have followed his lead. I should have known better. It's about money in the pocket NOW.

If it's called handicapping. And if we're Neva winnas I'm not sure if it's worth a hit of this drug hairizona and maybe I won't be able to Get a good job anyways unless call center shake down street called I'm calling mom this lady spoke to inline sounds indignant about needed customer services in this financials industry maybe we'll jus sell her out of her houses for free Blue Cross Blue shelild us from hineywells abusive management styllee. It's poetries sorry thanks Jon boy it's been a long one

Couldn't agree more Cal. Labels are counter-productive to any real discussion these days. Oddly, i am a Minnesota born Humphrey democrat and i start every morning reading two right if center websites; The Bulwark and The Resurgent.

Both have some true-conservatives clinging to the values of the grand old party. More the Bulwark than the other, but i enjoy looking at both sides of the coin. Neither party owns the truth and sadly neither seem to care about those who elected them.

I suspect that is what makes Rogue/Jon so enjoyable to read. Whether we are to the right or the left, he remains true to his values. There's certainly not enough of that going around these days.

Like most on here, we know words matter and loved your use of "umbrage." Powerful, compelling and needing a response. Thanks for the gentle push.

I have decided not to vote for anyone I wouldn’t buy a used car from.All the rest is bs.

Evan Mecham

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
Edward Abbey

Reverse technology
Luddites
Hunter/Gatherers
The first 15 mintues of the film 2001

Simply put, Arizona is an extraction state. The state exists to extract wealth from it and send that wealth elsewhere.

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
Edward Abbey

Cal, that's the best quote I've read in a long time. Arizona needs some Monkey Wrench Gangs.

Roger for xmas buy yourself the dvd's,
"Wrenched and a Voice in the Wilderness"
Probably have to get them from
Ken Sanders Rare book store in Salt Lake.
Dogs willing and the Arroyo's dont rise, heres to 2020.

Growth and sprawl.
See Arizona news for State Environmental Quality faces biggest cuts in the country.
Maybe them ole timers sitting on the courthouse park benches, saying "glad i dont have to stick around much longer," had a point?

Thank you Cal. I found a free stream of A Voice in the Wilderness online. I do want the DVDs and will look for them.

ADEQ is going through a "lean initiative", where the Governor hired 'efficiency experts' (think of the Bobs in Office Space). These people are paid more than those who do the actual work there and their jobs are to lay off as many people as possible. Oh, that's not what they say they do, but people I've talked to say that's exactly what they do.

How can we be in the biggest boom cycle in the nation's history and yet we are gutting our government institutions? The answer lies in something something robbing the treasury something or other.

Roger, happy you found a stream?
How was the water? Current ly Trumps land managers and the land rapers have taken back control of Arroyo's for sand and rock mining purposes.

Downsizing: Yep back in the early 90's the state hired me to do just that.
I quit when the State didnt keep their end of the deal. Reporting commercial criminal activity in the news and locking up owners.

At 80 (from conception) i have moved away from Ayn and closer to Bernie.

The Mountain waits my arrival.

Restructure the Arizona University System to provide greater accessibility, affordability, and accountability to a public university education for many more Arizonans:

http://PSUandAzTech.blogspot.com

The San Diego plan for streets to parks might work in Phoenix from Jefferson to Van Buren and 3rd street to 3rd Avenue.
It's nearly impossible to drive a car in that area.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/story/2019-12-13/downtown-roads-will-be-converted-into-parks-starting-with-this-east-village-street

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