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August 20, 2015


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Governor Roscoe wants to put some lipstick on the pig.

Up here in the White Mountains, the voters are unable to connect the dots between :

Vote in the R's

The R's cut taxes just like they said they would.

The R's cut school funding just like they said they would.

The voters are very angry about education funding cuts.

Meetings are being held to try to find out how this happened.

So far they haven't figured it out.

It would appear arizona and states like it are going through some form of mass retardation.

At this point I'm guessing it would take a two by four upside the head to help clear their thought process.

Thank you for speaking the truth once again but then you've always had a bad case of cassndra syndrome
Cassandra Syndrome

1) The condition of speaking the truth and having no one believe you.

2) The condition of being able to predict the future, be it the outcome of a particular event, or the reactions of others to the same event, and having no one believe your prophecy until it transpires.

3) Being able to see or understand things long before others, often resulting in them coming to the same conclusions long after your own initial analysis.

She ain't no Cassandra, but our resident brainiac up here in the mountains, Sylvia Allen , state legislator, told an education meeting the reason Az doesn't have money for schools is because of all the empty land that doesn't pay taxes.

And the meeting attendees said, duh. Ok. That would splain things.

I wonder whether Ducey sees a difference between re-branding and actual change? There's a kind of magical thinking and superficiality at play here. And it does play politically. Witness his election. Witness his re-branding of himself. (Branding in the sense of a product name, not the type used on livestock.) If I had considered whether I'd vote for him, I d look at someone who not only changed his name for re-branding purposes (fleeting, uncertain identity beyond getting rich) but changed it to Ducey. How in the hell did he pick that one?

At least it's a dry rot, and you don't have to shovel cronyism off your driveway!

He looks in the mirror and sees Scott Walker's running mate.

And Sheriff Joe? He'd make a great sidekick for Mr. Trump. I'd put on hot pink panties to see that ticket...

As far as the rebranding goes, you know Arizona may well lead the nation in the indirect funding of the ACLU. That might be worth a shout out to progressive businesses looking to relocate:

Arizona spends more on filling the pockets of liberal lawyers than filling potholes.

The full article is worth a read, but allow me to paste in my favorite part:

The other case stems from a defense of legislation crafted in 2014 by Rep. J.D. Mesnard designed to deal with so-called “revenge porn.”

That normally occurs when couples take photos of each other naked during a relationship, photos that end up on the Internet after the relationship ends badly. Mesnard said existing harassment laws do not make such activities illegal in Arizona.

The law made it a felony to “intentionally disclose, display, distribute, publish, advertise or offer” a photo, video, film or digital recording of someone else who is naked “if the person knows or should have known that the depicted person has not consented to the disclosure.” Offenders would face prison terms of up to 2½ years — or 3 years if the person is recognizable.

The American Civil Liberties Union and book publishers sued, contending the statute was overly broad and would make criminals out of people doing otherwise legal things.

Lawyers for the state, recognizing the problems with the law, agreed last year not to enforce it to give the Legislature a chance to fix it. But the changes never got final Senate approval before lawmakers went home for the year.

At that point, the Attorney General’s Office agreed to give up the fight.

The $202,813 in legal fees and costs was a deal negotiated between the Attorney General’s Office and all of the attorneys.


I have the start of a slogan but I need help with the finish.

"Arizona, we don't have any of those limousine liberals or Gulfstream environmentalists, but we do have......


Edward Abbey and Charles Bowden. And Tom Zollener. And we used to have Jon Talton.

It's Tim Steller, not Tom, and John Huppenthal was Diane Douglas' predecessor, not Tom Horne. Once an editor...

one martini, two martinis.


Ducey changed his name to his stepdads - who adopted him. Nothing nefarious or deceitful about that.

The world's best rebranding folks? See the Front Pages
The Mystery of ISIS

Thanks, John.

Lol, you can't fix dumb by saying it is genius.

Next up, our big school districts have five to seven years of life before their debt load kills them, because the charters are sucking their money right out.

And that means that most of Arizona's municipal school bonds are going to be the equivalent of toilet paper.

That is going to flow so well in Paradise Valley.


If interest rates go up, Arizona schools go broke even faster.


I only have four more years of putting up with Arizona's weird education crap, and then my kid is out of here.

Not that the outcome is terrible, mind you, but the long term health of our education system is bankruptcy.

Charter schools were supposed to be cheaper, yet they seem to be begging for more and more money too. Could it be that we just believe every hustler in our Oz?

Oz of Az, ignore the man behind the curtain.


Glad to see the hustlers are in charge, because that way we know they are going to break everything.

BTW- state government is nearly moribund, and entirely dysfunctional.


Nothing higher taxes can't fix, but reality is making that impossible in our failed state.

I doubt very much that the current sitting governor gives a rat's patootie about why AZ is circling the drain. The rebranding campaign is one more "look over there!" ploy that isn't working as it is allegedly intended, but is working as media filler. My personal feeling is that the only thing that is of any concern to the governor is his personal fortune and, perhaps if he is not as black hearted as I give him credit for, the personal fortunes of a few other people. On that metric everything is going swimmingly.

Doug rebranding “himself” as Caitlyn A. Roscoe would have been so much more amusing.

A rebranding correction would be the removal of the destructive human species and Arizona given a Wilderness designation. Same O for New Mexico and Utah. Tourists on foot with no more than a 60 lb back pack with no matches and no guns but a buck knife and a bed roll would be allowed in the Wilderness areas for up to two months.

Wonder how many of those old minority moving box cars it would take to move all them "White" folks back to where they came from?

Knock knock

Who's there?

Malibu police.

Yes, good morning.

We're here to arrest Bruce Jenner for vehicular manslaughter.

He's not here.

Who are you?

Caitlyn Jenner, would you like to leave a message?

Yes, here's my card. Have him call when he gets back.

I sure will officer. Can I touch your gun.

Ruben R U smoking before breakfast?

Extra strong French press coffee

isn't it interesting some of the governors we've had.

Gov. Rose, you just wanted to hug her and have milk and cookies with her.

Gov. Babbitt, nerd

Gov. Janet, no comment

Gov. Brewer, a look from her could cause a plant to stop photosynthesizing.

Gov. Ducey, he makes you want to check that your wallet is still in your pocket and you feel the urge to use Purell on your hands.

We've had some characters.

Ruben add some Kulua to that coffee. You forgot the little White Picannany (pickaninny) Governor.
And Rose is and was a good person and about as honest a politician as one could find in Arizona. Her and Polly ??, both from the mining country of Globe and Miami.

Polly Rosenberg

Re-branding my desert.

Why Dubi and Phoenix should not exist.
Why there should be only small occasional Oasis inhabited by a few; not many humans in the deserts. cal lash 082215

From Resist Much, Obey Little.

“Was there ever such a stillness as that which rests upon the desert at night? Was there ever such a hush as that which steals from star to star across the firmament? You perhaps think to break that spell by raising your voice in a cry; but you will not do so again. The sound goes but a little way and then seems to come back to your ear with a suggestion of insanity about it.” John Charles Van Dyke

“There is something about the desert that the human sensibility cannot assimilate or has so far not been able to assimilate. Perhaps that is why it has been scarcely approached in poetry or fiction, music or painting…. Meanwhile under the vulture-haunted sky, the desert waits—mesa, butte, canyon, reef, sink, escarpment, pinnacle, maze, dry lake, sand dune, and barren mountain,-- untouched by the human hand.” Edward Abbey.

There you go cal. You did it.

The rebranding slogan will be:

Arizona- it really is a desert. If you don't treat it as such, it can and will kill you.

At the bottom of the billboard in small letters it will say " thank you for your tourist dollars now get the hell out of here"

Thanks Ruben
The great Sonoran Desert
Usque ad finem.

Phoenix; After the Great Collapse and the Fire Next Time the Good News is that Gila Monsters will sun themselves on south Central Avenue and tumble weeds will roll eastward on Van Buren. And Tempes (Neil's) bridge across the Salt will collapse without the aide of a monkey wrencher.

Cal, that is not likely to happen in any of our lifetimes.

What we have extrapolated from data regarding climate change is that the Southwest will get hotter in the immediate future. What we also have witnessed, especially in Arizona, is more violent storms when the heat is briefly interrupted by summer monsoon deluges.

The Hohokam built canals in order to sustain their civilization in an arid region. The canals were lifelines that irrigated fields and filled drinking pools. Unprecedented periods of flooding taxed and repeatedly destroyed the sophisticated Hohokam canal system. Without dams or groundwater storage capability to divert floodwaters, downpours wiped out agriculture. As the Salt, Gila, and Agua Fria rivers swelled and usually dry creeks turned surrounding land into turbulent floodplains, alluvial soil was destroyed by the saline sedimentation that followed.

Periods of drought were not primary factors that led to the collapse of the Hohokam civilization. Many of their canals were built to supplement local water supply during drier periods. Destructive flooding followed by disease and famine is what likely caused the collapse of their civilization as it was known in the Salt River Valley. Due to the topography of the area, Tempe is aptly named since it is a true geographical vale: an area with a particularly wide floodplain.

What I believe this means for metro Phoenix is that even with climate change factored in, the area is sustainable long-term. However, only certain areas are truly sustainable (e.g. central Phoenix, portions of Tempe) with sprawling regions the least resilient. In order for Phoenix to take a truly sustainable form it must continue to grow denser. This would allow more resources to be shared within a manageable footprint.

Many areas of "the valley" should never have been developed: Apache Junction, Gilbert, Chandler, and wider footprints of Buckeye, Goodyear, Peoria, etc. come to mind. These areas continue to subside, contribute to air pollution, add to the growing heat island, and result in the loss of billions of dollars in opportunity costs via the price of fuel, maintaining a vehicle, wasting time sitting in traffic, the epidemic of deadly auto related accidents, and a built environment scaled for the automobile which is inefficient and dehumanizing.

Land subsidence creates 2 glaring predicaments for those suburbs and exurbs named above: 1)Ground water resources are disappearing along with easily accessible and therefore, cheap water. 2)As land subsidence continues, infrastructure will be damaged and destroyed repeatedly. The negative externalities are basically limitless since these hidden costs and associated unintended consequences will lead to expensive mitigation and maintenance projects.

The opportunity costs of having built these sprawling suburbs are outrageous. When a major flood event occurs the damage will be staggering. If I had to find a silver-lining it would be the possible exodus of Sheriff Joe loving, Midwestern transplants (please take Ducey back to Ohio with you) after the flood. If Mother Nature wishes to exact some justice she would start with the mega sprawling and free riding developments known as the Sun Cities, Sun Lakes, the San Tan "Valley" and North Scottsdale.

Glad I was able to stimulate You.
Good response.
Cactus Cal

I think you are being much too critical of Az. Consider that Southern Cali, Nevada, New Mexico, Sonoma and Utah abut. Can you say that any is clearly doing better? (OK I think Utah is) Comparing any state to Texas is probably going to come up lacking. Similar to comparing Seattle to almost any other city is too.

All that said, these “rebranding” campaigns are little more that pep-rallies. The only ones that seem to have any power are the organic kind: e.g. “keep Austin weird”.

I'm reading a book about the founding of Denver. It was a very walkable, livable city. Then when the population exceeded 1,000 things started going to hell.

Could be a lesson there.

Drought made the Hohokam leave. I know, cause when I was reincarnated, I was really thirsty.

Drought, flood. Neither can be proven wrong, so both are right.

I don't know that State-level tourism campaigns have ever been particularly effective. California probably has had the best ones that I've seen, but, then again, they're a massive state with a range of climates and natural beauty that few principalities in the world could ever hope to possess. Despite all their cultural and social activities, therefore, their ads still focus in large part on natural beauty. To me, this is important.

I would say perhaps an emphasis on our stunning natural beauty and tremendous range of climates would be a good way to "brand" the state. Can you "brand" a canyon or a cactus? I guess we'll see.

The worst way to sell a state is to talk about convention centers, golf courses, arenas, hotels, etc., the same sort of commercial stuff that every state has to varying extents.

Focus on what makes us UNIQUE.

wkg_in_bham: Enjoyed the crack on Gov. Roscoe -- that would have been much more interesting. And Utah is doing better because the only corruption game there is the church, their senators and representatives deliver the bacon, and the colonies in AZ, CA, CO, ID, and TX deliver remarkable tithes.

Wkg the reason Utah is still part of the US is they are still "Bleeding the Beast." And until you come the desert u will know about as much as I do about Atlanta in the midst of red neck Christian Jihadist country.

"Bleeding the beast" is probably better as "milking the gentiles"

Ramjet that's why I was a cop and you were an teacher.

Ruben Perez, it is called science. I'm leaning on discoveries recently made by anthropologists to make the call.

PHXSUNFAN and Ruben your both right. So they pulled up and migrated south and integrated with others. Here's a good read. The Opatas.

I agree, science. I have a tree ring chart the shows droughts lasting 60 to 80 years during the two centuries that the ancients wandered away looking for a drinking fountain. Interspersed with floods would have really put them in a mood saying "let's blow this joint. There's gotta be someplace better than this. We can't afford LaJolla. Let's try north of here. "

Cal, a branch of the family is from Aconchi, Sonora. So, Opata it is.

I've read some anthropological studies, and Native American folklore, that indicate the modern day Akimel O'odham and Tohono O'odham peoples are descendants of the Hohokam.

Interestingly, archaeologist have made discoveries that indicate Pima groups were present in the region at the end of the Hohokam sequence. Even more strange is evidence that suggests the Sobaipuri, ancient ancestors of the Pima, were starting to settle closer to the Salt and Gila River before the Hohokam abandonment.

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