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March 12, 2012


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Tread carefully bloggers, this is my city we're talking about.

AZrebel, I will be sure to mention that to the head elder.

Current Mesa government is the most forward thinking the city has had in years. An example is that they have had two excellent police chiefs in a row.

Hmm, I think you will see quite a few blog posts like this in the next 6-7 months. Especially as press is blasted from Metrolink. There are also some fundamental businesses opening up in "Downtown Mesa" that will receive press. We also have yet to see who else is going to throw in their cards before light rail construction. Right now is the prime time to get a local business start-up before big boxes start moving in for the primo spots. As it grows it will garner a little bit of press, but the question is how much of it will be good press. The author scores a big point when he says Mesa will attempt to leach off of Phoenix.

I would say honestly that no one in DTM is really trying to leach off of Phoenix, that would mean leasing our Souls to ASU. I think Downtown feel and vibe of that square mile can be achieved over time. Mesa has a rare opportunity in the valley and that is to not rely on Educational Tourism to make money. Anything local in Mesa is going to have to work hard to get what they can, so surviving businesses will probably not be headed by slackers.

Mesa also has a huge progressive surge within its population. It's also fostering some local born companies that are still in their infancy that have a HIGH amount of potential in the next 5-6 years.

As a business in the "Downtown" region, it will be interesting to see how interconnected we become with both the Fiesta District as well as the area over next to the Bass Pro Shop. Hopefully there will be a trolley system proposed to run a tri-fecta of options so people will be able to experience Mesa's attributes better instead of just one at a time.

Mesa has a lot of forks in the road to go through before it finds out what will happen in the long run. Lack of faith may be the biggest small business attribute in this situation. No one really BELIEVES DTM will survive, so that opens the slim door of opportunity for start-ups and organic businesses. Right now I think a lot of people are speculating with low risk investments and will jump onto the horse full time once they see any form of success.

The real interesting period will be after the rail is built, what big boxes are going to try and invade?

Hey, where did my post go??

I've been Emiled.

AZRebel, For being rude your POST is outside the fort and we are locking the gate for the night. Dont let them Indians get U.
O I forgot U R one.


I'll wear your scalp on my belt someday.

Wait a minute.

You do have a scalp, right?

Take off that black hat. Let me see.

Oh crap, a hairpiece ain't gonna cut it.

Guess it's back to making beads with the squaws for me.

Tsi-ra cha Ko-ta

Mesa needs Phoenix and Phoenix needs Mesa. If some density develops in old Mesa and along the light rail line it will do wonders for ridership across the entire system. There might actually be a reason sometime in the future for people further west (Phoenix/Tempe) to visit Mesa. Similarly, more residents in Mesa on the line means more visitors in downtown and Central Phoenix (D-Backs/Suns/Museums/Airport traffic/commuters either way/etc).

Mesa's 136 square miles should be the extent of its growth and made so by law. It could then concentrate on denser developments and infrastructure. The same needs to happen in Phoenix with the continuation of land purchases to turn into parkland and preserves.

I believe Mesa missed a huge opportunity by not pushing the Cubs into downtown. Imagine "Wrigleyville West" on light rail! True, Rio Salado may have a street car along with the new development but spreading out these investments will only delay urbanization.

PSF makes a good point that is often misunderstood among some regional leaders. The single largest catalyst for walkable urban economic development near light rail is increasing the overall size of the light rail system. Our peer cities, such as Denver and Salt Lake City do understand this and are outperforming us as a result.

The mindset of "we need to get a return on what we have before building more" that some have here is ill advised (and for some, it's just their new way of opposing after failing in their efforts to kill the starter line)

Every extension to the light rail system creates a multiply effect on ridership - capturing a larger percentage of overall travelers or in business terms - "marketshare".

Therefore, new stations do not compete with existing stations - rather, they actually increase real estate demand at the existing stations.

Point 1. Looks like not too much interest in Mesa. Oh, well.

Point 2. There used to be very heavy density in downtown Mesa. Heck, we had apartment house after apartment house holding two, three and four families per apartment. We had strip mall after strip mall catering to all that "density". Then SB 1070 occurred and all our density moved to New Mexico and other states.

Point 3. Other than monies coming back from the state and other what they call intergovernmental income, Mesa relies on sales tax. When the "density" left, the strip malls went vacant and sales tax revenue fell through the floor.

Point 4. The density you all speak of here on this blog, really means density of people with money, not just people.

Point 5. As always, the price of gas dictates what Americans will do concerning location of home, type of car, length of commute, etc. We could all talk until we're blue inthe face. Doesn't matter. What's the number on that gas pump??

The Ant Wars r a comin

Thanks cal,

Let's try to get this thread up to 15 comments before the Roguemeister hits the flush handle.

"Density" brings revenue ....

No "Density" = vacant buildings and strip malls.

The "drop" in immigrants occupying and utilizing these businesses (due to the hostile anti-brown sentiment--SB1070 etc) in Mesa, also caused the crime rates to rise in these empty buildings, homes, and apartments.

Copper theft is at an all time high, as "tweakers" filled the void, left by the immigrant community.

In fact, A.J. and Mesa are quite similar, as far as not having a significant distinctive border that would separate the neighbor cites--trailer parks and copper thieves included.

Mesa-Gateway/ASU Poly really does NOT serve Mesa for that matter (though technically in the City of Mesa)...Gilbert, Queen Creek, Chandler, and San Tan Valley are the beneficiaries of this segment of town.

If the "Fiesta" region is what the visionaries are looking to model after..? They are in trouble.. Many still avoid this part of town. (The Mall included)

Tearing down the new (vacant) buildings at the Bass Pro Shops corridor didn't help either.

The only saving grace that it holds now, is "Boeing". It still occupies and employs many at its Falcon Field Apache Helicopter plant. (This will also end one day, as unmanned "drones" will eventually be the new direction in Military Defense spending--Leaving another huge vacant building for them pesky copper thieves to move into)

Mesa, should be used as a example, or model of what NOT to do...


P/S I agree the last two Police Chiefs they hired were a good decision by the powers that be in Mesa. Gascon a "Class Act"..to this day.

Sad but true, Reb. The Mesa post has significantly less traffic than the usual. And all the people who say, "You hate Arizona! You never say anything nice about anything!" aren't reading, either.

"copper theft is at an all time high"

You ain't just whistling Dixie.

It's unbelievable.

I handle "high risk" property insurance across the country.

Businesses are spending upwards of $75,000 to protect $10,000 heating/cooling units.

In Houston, the common protection consists of:

Fencing with razor wire.

6 to 12 security cameras covering the entire roof area.

Pressure pads around the unit

Security patrols

That's just for the churches in the area.

You have to wonder, what would Jesus do???

Positivism went out when Dr. Norm vincent Peale died.
But what the heck Jon try another positive blog.

I made the mistake of going to A Mesa RV place to buy an item a couple of weeks ago. While I was in the stores the clerk openly complained that there are to many Mexicans in Mesa.
I went back today to return an item and also by some wax for my Motorhome. The same clerk said it works really well but is hard to buff. Then he said "I'd get a Mexican." I blurted out "but U ran them all out of town." Last time I shop at that store

Saw Frampton at Mesa Arts Center the other night and he was great,but the center itself was even better.Unfortunately,when the show was over there were no restaurants open nearby to get coffee and people just streamed out of the parking garage to go to Tempe.I had the same experience at Dodge theater in downtown Phoenix a few years ago and have not gone back.Great amenities do not a downtown make.

But u could have got a Pepsi

Mesa should be the main city of a county carved out in the east valley. Maricopa County should be divided into two or three separate counties. As long as Mesa remains in the same county as Phoenix, its potential will be somewhat overshadowed and diminished.

Phoenix's interests would also be much bettered served if it was not in the same county as Mesa, Scottsdale and Tempe.

Break it up.

I have heard the another county for years.Usually headed up by Gilbert types. Got some specific reasons why Arizona needs more county governments.

I hereby declare thee, Mesa thread, dead as a doornail.

Any mention of Mesa should also include the lasting core of community leaders who have resided in the older neighborhoods bordering downtown to the north and organizations like A New Leaf, which have continuously provided social services in the vicinity. Another interesting slice of Mesa that offers hope is the outgrowth of south Tempe in the Dobson Ranch area, which boasts revived residential growth amidst a struggling retail environment. I'd keep my eye on Dobson Ranch in coming years, as I think it will impress.

University of Texas is a nice campus...great school. The only problem is that it's in Texas.

I know not many of you watch TV, however if you ever watch a bit of GCB (Good Christian Bitches) on ABC you'll get a sense of Texas life. Those people (although based on Dallas social life) remind me of Texas and Texans, even in Austin...

And it is because the UT Engineering College along with the Engineering colleges at Texas A&M and Texas Tech that Apple came to Austin. Apple needs a workforce of educated technical professionals and Texas can fulfill that obligation.

Look, you may thing Texans are ass backwards on a lot of issues and you are correct. But looking at your governor and my governor, they are both idiots. However, bashing Austin for recruiting an employer isn't going to solve your problems. Your state has failed miserably to advance higher education and research. I will give ASU and AU kudos for work they have done in space exploration and in the material sciences. Unfortunately, that still doesn't solve your state's education issues.

Intel probably wishes it would have built its last fab in Austin because it has a bigger pool of engineers and technicians. However, the financial incentives and reduced taxes won them over.

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