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April 12, 2010

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Information and Education, such a breath of fresh air. Thank you!

I have to disagree with your basic premise that critics of the governors of Virginia and Mississippi are overwrought.

There is a big difference between recognizing the historical importance of the Confederacy (an entity which existed for only four years), studying it, and discussing it from a historical standpoint, and on the other hand, celebrating it (which is what the imprimatur of official government declaration of "Confederate History Month" implies).

The government traditionally recognizes minority groups in "history months" to confer dignity and approval by means of official declaration.

Furthermore, one could scarcely say that slavery is NOT a central aspect of the Confederacy, so the failure of either governor to mention the topic in their declarations is further evidence that they were made with a wink to nostalgic Whites.

I agree that slavery was not the proximate cause of the war, whereas political economy was; but the distinction is subtle because the South's economy was based on slavery (an agricultural economy built around plantations manned by slaves); also that slavery had been made as much a part of the culture of the south as mint juleps.

Seven states seceded before Lincoln had even taken office -- before the inauguration but after his election. So, clearly secession was a response to Lincoln's election, not to his policies as President, and not to already existing federal policy on issues involving agriculturalism vs industrialism, tariffs, or states' rights.

Again, slavery was the central issue and difference between Lincoln and his opponent candidate, Douglas.

Douglas, in his Freeport Doctrine, argued that local settlers could decide whether to accept slavery or not, and could overrule the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dred Scott.

Lincoln's position was well known: in his Peoria Speech, remarking on the Kansas-Nebraska Act, he noted that the Act was characterized by a "declared indifference" but a "covert zeal" for slavery, which he said he hated, not only for the "monstrous injustice of slavery itself" but also because it "deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world, enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites, causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity; and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty — criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest".

In his famous "house divided" speech (accepting the Republican nomination for Senate in 1858) he stated: "I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."

So, Lincoln's position was clear; and though he found preserving the union more compelling as a national interest than emancipation, and would no doubt have countenanced slavery's continuation in the South had the seceded states agreed to come back into the fold, it was his hostility to slavery as an institution that the Confederate leaders found threatening and intolerable from the leader of the nation and commander-in-chief.

I suspect, then, that whereas most northerners did not fight as abolitionists, most southerners fought (among other reasons) to maintain the economic and social institution of slavery.

P.S. Mr. Talton wrote:

"For one thing, it only reinforces the bunker mentality of many Southern whites — who do not by any means all live in the South — that their customs, culture and history are under attack. Thus, it drives them even more into the propaganda ministry of the white-right on Fox "News" and talk radio."

To this I say, tough titty: spank 'em, don't coddle 'em. The reactionaries already have a bunker mentality: that's why they respond to something as simple as the election of a center-left Black by stocking up on ammunition and discussing whether or not he's "The Antichrist".

They're already so far out of touch with reality that it verges on national psychosis. And the traditional of gentle, liberal intellectualism has done nothing to change that.

The Civil War has long been an area of intense interest and study for me. That said, the most repulsive thing about the VA governor and the South as a whole, is the historical abomination of a REPUBLICAN, from the party that saved America in the 1860s, is now THE party of white Southerners. You'd think this irony would come up more often in our current discussions. Just one more reason I'm not a Republican any more (and we've been a Republican family ever since the Civil War).

PS -- got a kick out of the title. The book is a good 'n nice quick read full of humor, history and insight.

Here's a bit of the concrete reality of slavery, and why Blacks hate Old Dixie the way that Jews hate the swastika:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cicatrices_de_flagellation_sur_un_esclave.jpg

They just don't show that on The Dukes of Hazard.

I sometimes wonder what amalgamation of nostalgia and fantasy is maintaining the Confederacy as a heritage issue. It's a pleasant literary diversion and an interesting historical discussion. But as a pretext to divide this nation, it's not merely toxic, it's nearly insane.

I'm not even sure if this is a matter of Southerners needing to feel validated in their cultural niche. My suspicion is that its a bit more complicated. We've experienced four decades now of Republican dog whistles and resentment peddling. It's worked marvelously in retarding this country's sense of social and economic justice. It has made the rich much richer. And it's provided a useful screen to let people blame minorities for everything that seemingly ails us as a nation.

I'm going to agree with Emil here. This is psychosis. It's not even remotely relevant to what ought to concern us going forward. The Confederacy was outright sedition and is now being fluffed by Republicans who usually play the treason card with national security issues. Granted, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can be irritating. Still, that's a poor excuse to hold this nation's future hostage to whiners, losers, and racists. It's been 150 years. Time to move on.

An observation, if I may. I have many lifelong friends across the south as a result of doing business there over the years. Over many a dinner I sat and listened to stories of family land, property and belongings lost to the carpetbaggers after the war. These memories are not political in nature. They are painful family history memories and they last a long, long time. I'm a lifelong southwesterner. The people of the south are good people.

Perhaps the bottom line on this discussion is the fact that our country is still riddled with the malignancies of long-held prejudice . . racial and political . . religious and sexual . . you name it. With a black man in the White House, we'd like to think we've come further. We'd like to blame much of it on older folks. And on and on . . maybe a good subject for further examination.

So you think slavery wasn't at the heart of the Confederacy?

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/04/so_you_think_slavery_wasnt_at.php#comments

Soleri wrote:

"The Confederacy was outright sedition and is now being fluffed by Republicans who usually play the treason card with national security issues. Granted, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can be irritating. Still, that's a poor excuse to hold this nation's future hostage to whiners, losers, and racists. It's been 150 years. Time to move on."

Bravo!

I wonder if your "counterfactual novel" may have been "If The South Had Won the Civil War" by McKinlay Kantor. I believe it started life as an article in Saturday Evening Post in the 1950s. When readers responded enthusiastically, Kantor developed it into a novel.

Or perhaps it was the classic, "A Canticle for Leibowitz"?

Lots of counterfactualists out there, the rascals!

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