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November 18, 2008

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Casual has indeed turned to sloppy. But I say good riddance to neckties. What is the purpose of a piece of cloth tied around your neck and hanging down your chest?

What's wrong with a band-collared dress shirt and jacket?

I can't help but comment that the Wall Street Masters of the Universe who have robbed us blind with their Republican comrades (the Party the Wrecked America) are always dressed to the nines. Have you ever seen more corruption stuffed into a suit than when Mozilla made the news? I'm reminded of the saying about Talleyrand -- a silk socking stuffed with shit.

In my lowly tech job I dress casual. When I do taxes its a shirt, slacks and tie. Want to guess which one I make more money at?

This column really gave me pause. Maybe it's the age difference. I'm nearing 60, so I was a flower child. To me, dressing up is a waste of time and money. Being a female, I wore dresses and skirts to work for years. When I turned 50, I gave myself the present of vowing never to wear a dress again. My costume of choice is jeans and a flannel shirt, but I dress a little nicer for work (editor).

On the other hand, I was a performing musician for many years, and I understand the power of clothes. The way you dress not only elicits a certain response from people who see you but also makes you feel a certain way. In my case, perhaps some childhood trauma makes me now feel uncomfortable and "inauthentic" when I'm dressed up!

I think the decline of our civilization began when we abandoned manners and other little signs of respect (like not using first names at first meeting). But dressing nice in certain situations is also a sign of respect, I suppose. I wouldn't go to a funeral in my jeans and flannel shirt.

So I guess I agree with you and I don't agree with you. I agree with you about almost everything else you write about...

Jon, as an original azcentral buccaneer, and someone who continues to work in the crossover journalist/generalist field, I can't agree with the tone you take here. We were supposed to be the "throwaways" at the newspaper, so we dressed casual with the same cavalier spirit that allowed us to put together a successful, profitable web site. It was an attitude that was assigned to us by the philosophical rejection of our agenda by the established people in the newsroom.

That said, if you're representing someone in public, I wholly agree with you on the declining standards of dress. Suits are mandatory in that environment, and reporters are the worst violators. It's funny how so many who dreamed of following in the footsteps of Woodward and Bernstein adopted the jeans/blazer fashion statement. I've never seen Woodward or Bernstein in anything but white shirts and ties!

I agree with you, Jon. I don't understand why men want to dress so badly. It sends a terrible message. As for ties -- they have as much utility as any work of art.

I guess I'm with Edain, Jon. I dress up for occassions (the Economic Club of Phoenix lunches), but for a day of reading, thinking, editing, emailing here in my off-campus office, dressing up seems like just that -- dress up. A costume. It's silly. Maybe the crucial difference is the comfort gap. Men's clothes look comfortable (except the tie). But check out women's shoes sometime. Imagine wearing them all day -- most are agony.
That said, you've convinced me to abandon my dream -- a workplace where business attire is sweat pants and flip flops....

Yep civilization declines now for around 2000 years and counting, hardly news here.
Dresses of style changed since the, recorded, beginning of decline, sheets of linen, more sheets of linens, T-shirts called Tunics, long dresses for man, short dresses and hose for man, puffy pants, silk jackets and red heels, yellow knitted trousers, would be called capri leggings today and finally the beginning of the suit, which now will stay for all eternity, won't it ? Let me state my one liner : lack of change is the downfall of any civilization. By the way suits were invented in a restrictive era, maybe we should move beyond that. For some people ties and suits restrict their thinking processes. As for woman high heels have a similar effect. My other one liner coming through : Restrictive clothing was invented to hold the masses dumb and preoccupied. Freedom of thought should also correspond in freedom of clothing.

The trouble is, there's no freedom of clothing in many workplaces. I'm a professional who would love to wear suits. The one week I tried it, I was given a "talking to." Casual is mandatory. So much for freedom. Come to think of it, all of the conformists I know also dress like slobs in the new mandatory casual uniform. So much for the great liberation.

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